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things and nothings's avatar

a dialectic approach certainly does help with understanding reality; as you’ve said, it’s a tool, albeit one that relies so heavily on distinction that it appears unattractive to the Daoist thinker.

by the same token, the Daoist thinker may be prone to inaction for the sake of inaction, rather than the “effortless action” of wuwei. they may be compelled to see and accept things as they are, leading to complacency.

in some sense, yes, we have to face reality and attempt to see its beauty, but on the other hand, we need to be aware of contradiction and conflict which are endemic to reality.

i see the opposites posed in the second verse as more or less related to the marxist dialectic or the master-slave relation, as laozi claims that those who see beauty as beautiful are engaging in ugliness. ugliness and beauty are subjective; they must simultaneously appear and self-reinforce. they do not exist in the One, and certainly not in that which spawns the One. there IS a contradiction, which the authors you cited seem to misplace.

i have been working (barely, lol) on a piece about the connections between anarchist thought and daoist thought. i have run into a similar situation; there is clear crossover, but it’s not possible to confidently proclaim anarchism as daoist, nor does daoism map onto anarchism neatly.

interestingly, there is a tendency of later daoists to appeal to the primitive times before heaven and earth were separated or lord and serf were installed into society. it seems they also believed we live in a post-harmony world.

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Paul Dotta's avatar

That was fun to read, thank you. What drew me to the Daodejing as a philosophical, even primitively scientific document, is its refusal to set anything outside of Tao - or Nature - and pass judgment on it. War, evil, oppression, this is part of Nature as well as the opposites, and Nature is indifferent to it all. My reading may differ from others.

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